Why Vegeta has more potential than Goku


Warning: This will contain major spoilers about Dragonball Z, if you don’t want to know what happens in the Sayian Saga (the first season) I would suggest that you stop reading now.

A major theme of Dragonball Z is the rivalry between Goku and Vegeta. It shouldn’t surprise anyone that Goku ends the series as the stronger of the two. In the final saga, the Buu saga, Vegeta blames Goku’s constant overtaking of his power on Goku’s ‘natural talent’ but is that really what made the difference? Lets break down their power levels and which had the most potential. Goku and Vegeta fight meet on Earth after Goku kills Vegeta’s henchman Nappa. Both were roughly the same age and had been fighting for all their lives so the field should be reasonably level. Except Goku gets an instant advantage.

For the last YEAR Vegeta had been travelling to Earth in a tiny space pod, in contrast to Goku who had been training under the local GOD OF MARTIAL ARTS. That’s right, while Vegeta was getting cramped in a tiny little pod Goku was training under the best trainer in that corner of the universe. Not only did King Kai strengthen Goku’s body he also taught him the Kaio Ken attack and the Spirit Bomb. The Kaio Ken attack dramatically increases the users strength, speed and senses for short bursts of time, at risk of annihilation if done when the user is weak while being used. The Kaio Ken attack meant the difference between Goku having an advantage over Nappa and demolishing him. And that was only Kaio Ken level one, it can be taken right up to level ten, although in Goku’s fight against Nappa and Vegeta he only takes it to level four. BUT STILL.

The Spirit Bomb is the ultimate attack, borrowing a little energy from everything on Earth (people, animals, miro-organisms, wind, water, forrests, etc) and throwing it. Did I mention that it is impossible to miss with the Spirit Bomb? The user has a ‘sense’ of when the best time to use it would be when used JUST THEN the bomb is guaranteed to hit. These two techniques are rather large advantages that Goku has over Vegeta, but it doesn’t stop there.

When Vegeta and Nappa came to Earth they would fight the Z Fighter one at a time, that is, Nappa verses all of the Z Fighters all at once. When Goku breaks Nappa’s spine, rendering him unable to fight, they all also gang up on Vegeta. So for their first fight it was not Vegeta verses Goku, it was Vegeta verses Goku, Krillan, Gohan, Yajirobe and (through the Spirit Bomb) the whole planet.

Not to mention the strength boost that Goku got. A sayian is strengthened from a brush with death and they are at their strongest when they recover from near fatal injuries. So imagine the kind of strength that Goku would have gotten when he CAME BACK FROM THE DEAD just before his fight with Vegeta.

It seems that Goku is given a massive advantage by his death. If he hadn’t died and had never trained with King Kai he wouldn’t have stood a chance against Vegeta. But did he anyway?

And it’s generally accepted that Goku won the fight but where does that idea come from? Lets step through the fight. First Vegeta clearly had the advantage over Goku, then Goku started using the Kaio Ken attack. However, unlike when used against Nappa, Vegeta overcomes the Kaio Ken attack maintaining his advantage. It’s only when Goku triples the Kaio Ken that he lands an attack that damages Vegeta at all. Even then, using Kaio Ken times three, Goku can only match Vegeta. When forced into a beam battle where Vegeta uses Gallick Gun and Goku uses Kamehame Wave (which is implied several times to be more efficient than Gallick Gun, anouther unfair advantage that Goku has) the two are almost exactly matched.

Goku only overcomes Vegeta by taking the Kaio Ken attack to times four, not that it does Vegeta much damage. Vegeta stated that his attack is capable of destroying the planet (a boast which we are inclined to believe given that we have witnessed him destroying one before), yet when he is struck by Goku’s Kamehameha Wave he brushes it off like it is nothing before proceding to take his giant ape form.

Now, lets look at Goku and Vegeta before and after they fight a giant ape. First Goku fought Vegeta in giant ape form. Although Goku had been weakened by his use of Kaio Ken times four he had seemed to recover by the time he had to fight, while taking on the ape he never seemed to slow because of his injuries. Not that is does him any good, at full health Goku was crushed, till the point where he couldn’t move anymore. The only reason Goku wasn’t killed then and there was because Yagerobe snuck up on Vegeta and cut his tail off.

Compare this to how Vegeta faired against giant ape form Gohan. Although Gohan was a child he took on the body of a full grown ape. Just before this Vegeta had been struck by a weakened version of the Spirit Bomb, which was so strong is blew him right out of the atmosphere. When he came back down he was then CUT IN THE BACK WITH A SWORD. Although it is never stated how deep this blow was it is clear from the way Vegeta reacted that it REALLY hurt.You can clearly see that his shoulder has been seriously damaged, not to mention the general strain that his body has obviously taken. Yet Vegeta still manages to go toe to toe with the giant ape form Gohan, getting in some solid, damaging hits and eventually taking off Gohan’s tail face to face, not by sneaking behind when he was distracted like Yagerobi did. The only reason Vegeta got as damaged as he did was because Gohan just happened to fall on him.

Summary:

Normal Vegeta vs Normal Goku: Vegeta easily wins
Normal Vegeta vs Double Kaio Ken Goku: Vegeta has the advantage
Normal Vegeta vs Triple Kaio Ken Goku: Equal
Normal Vegeta vs Four times Kaio Ken Goku: Goku has the advantage (for thr half a minute Goku can sustain it)
Giant Ape Vegeta vs Full Strength Goku: Vegeta dominates, Goku crushed to near death, was saved by others
Vegeta after Spirit Bomb and sword damage vs Giant Ape Gohan: Equal matchup, Vegeta won but was crushed by falling monkey

It’s clear to see that the only reason Goku had a chance at all was because of the special training he got from King Kai, if not for the Kaio Ken attack he would have been demolished early in the fight. From this we can say with confidence that Vegeta was the strongest fighter when he and Goku first met even with all of Goku’s unfair advantages and that his allies is the only reason Goku survived the encounter. Next time, I will look at how it was that even with all of this potential Goku managed to overtake Vegeta’s power level.

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78 thoughts on “Why Vegeta has more potential than Goku

  1. As the show progresses Goku clearly overtakes Vegeta, but as you said, if Vegeta had been given all the opportunities as Goku he probably would have been more powerful that Goku.
    It’s funny that Goku is stronger than Vegeta just because Vegeta is less prone to dying.

    • Fools if you watch battle of gods it clearly states that because of vegeta’s burst of anger allowed him to greatly surpass super saiyan 3 goku and to the point were he could actually touch bills goku on the other hand not so much

  2. For Tom:
    This whole argument is useless since Vegeta himself said (during their battle in the Majin saga) that Goku had been born with greater potential and talent than his own…which was the reason why there would always be a growing gap between them that no matter how hard he trained, he wouldn’t be able to close. Those were Vegeta’s own words, so even if the author of this post wants to say otherwise because he likes Vegeta better, it would be contraicting the manga and implying that he knows more than the author himself.

    You wanna talk about advantages? Ok fine:

    1) Goku’s training with King Kai = Compensated by the fact that Vegeta spent his whole childhood on Plantet Vegeta (gravity X10) and had also the advantage of being trained by elite Saiyan warriors. Special battle-rooms where he could train himself againt Saibaimen were provided to him, and could also go on “missions” accompained by his father and fellow Saiyans so he could learn all about battle.

    Goku on the other hand, was stuck on a weakling planet with normal gravity and almost no challenges that allowed a true Saiyan to grow. Yet, for some reason, Vegeta-fans love to forget about this and focus only on Goku’s advantage.

    2) Goku’s Gravity training during his flight to Namek = MORE than compensated by the fact that during the 3-year training period until the arrival of the androids, it was VEGETA who had access to the gravity room, whilr Goku could only train normally with Gohan and Piccolo. In fact, he had to worry about training Gohan too…so unlike Vegeta he couldn’t focus only on himself.

    3) Goku’s training in the Other World afer the Cell Saga = Compesanted by the fact that again, it was Vegeta who had access to the gravity room for 7 years. Don’t even try to say afterlife training is more effective, because nothing of the sort has been said in the manga AT ALL. The only thing they said, was that it was easier to mantain the SSJ3 transformation in there. Nothing else. While we know for a FACT how effective training in the gravity room is for the saiyans.

    And even with all this, it doesn’t matter SQUAT. Why? Because once again, Vegeta flat-out admited that NO AMOUNT OF TRAINING would ever close the gap between him and Goku. He said this was due to Goku’s superior talent & potential, which was the reason he let himself be possessed by Babidi…so he could use the POWERUP to try and catch up with Goku.

    Now don’t get me wrong because of this post…I actually like Vegeta as character. But my love for this character is constantly put to the test by the hordes of Vegeta-fanboys who continually IGNORE REALITY all because they ended up butthurt that Vegeta not only ended up being weaker than Goku, but also admited Goku had more potential, that even eith training he wouldn’t be able to catch up, and that Goku was truly the N#1.

    In short, learn be real people. Vegeta is a cool character, but its CANON that he is not as talented as Goku. Its in the manga. Trying to say otherwise is obvious fanatism.

    Goku’s potential/talent >>>>> Vegeta’s.
    Toriyama’s words.
    The End.

    For Penguin’s Quack:
    “Because he was less prone to dying?”
    Maybe you’re forgeting the small fact that even if Vegeta died, he still wouldn’t be given the same opportunities Goku did. Just the fact that they let Goku keep his body in the Ohter World was an “honor” that only the greatest heroes like him recieve. Everyone else gets their body taken from them, and this is especially true for villians (like Vegeta) who spent their whole lives killing for pleasure.

    • I really need to make a note somewhere that you need to get the first comment you post approved by my for spam purposes. I’m impressed that you wrote basically the same thing twice though.

    • haha the time Goku spent in other world after the cell saga gave Goku the clear advantage over Vegeta. Goku was able receive special training and even compete with some of the greatest warriors. Additionally Goku was able to train for eternity, not age or be as physically exhausted as a living warrior would be on Earth. It does not matter that Vegeta could train in the gravity room, Goku had every training advantage given to him after death. Vegeta was the more skilled fighter and had he been given the same opportunities he would have surpassed Goku. Plus it’s painfully obvious the the writers of the show purposefully kept Vegeta down. I mean literally every villain in the series gets defeated by Goku in some way or another.

      • Sounds like you kiss Gokus’ ass too much, Mr. Fanboy. Wh owants to be with a do-gooder 24/7 when being with an anti-hero’s much better.

    • Man you rock nough said goku is better. i mean vegeta could never get to ss4 if it wasnt for bulmas machine and he never got to ss3.

      • … don’t bring GT bullshit into this. GT isn’t canon. But the Super Saiyan 3 thing, yes. I allow that.

      • ^ Since when is Dragon Ball GT bullshit?! It’s cool to me even though it isn’t canon. Besides, it’s more advanced than DBZ, although I like the second sequel of Dagon Ball more.

        Now you can dislike DBGT all you want. But callin’ it bullshit is bullshit in and of itself.

    • All ur arguments r useless due to the fact that goku is akairas lovely boy and vegeta is not. over

      • If you hate what people type here, then shut the hell up and get off this site, you damn liar!

    • Potential and Talent mean nothing if you don’t train hard. You can be as talented as Picasso, but if you don’t paint your bones off you will never become a legend.
      Goku may be more talented than Vegeta, but NO ONE in the ENTIRE SERIES has trained as hard as Vegeta. He is the pinnacle of determination and hard work; Toriyama sends us the wrong message saying that hard work doesn’t mean anything, because there’s always gonna be the imbecile who has it easy for him. You think SIX DAYS in enhanced gravity would compensate for Goku? Please.

      Vegeta is the most underused and neglected character of the entire manga history.

  3. For Tom:
    This whole argument is useless since Vegeta himself said (during their battle in the Majin saga) that Goku had been born with greater potential and talent than his own…which was the reason why there would always be a growing gap between them that no matter how hard he trained, he wouldn’t be able to close. Those were Vegeta’s own words, so even if the author of this post wants to say otherwise because he likes Vegeta better, it would be contraicting the manga and implying that he knows more than the author himself.

    You wanna talk about advantages? Ok fine:

    1) Goku’s training with King Kai = Compensated by the fact that Vegeta spent his whole childhood on Plantet Vegeta (gravity X10) and had also the advantage of being trained by elite Saiyan warriors. Special battle-rooms where he could train himself againt Saibaimen were provided to him, and could also go on “missions” accompained by his father and fellow Saiyans so he could learn all about battle.

    Goku on the other hand, was stuck on a weakling planet with normal gravity and almost no challenges that allowed a true Saiyan to grow. Yet, for some reason, Vegeta-fans love to forget about this and focus only on Goku’s advantage.

    2) Goku’s Gravity training during his flight to Namek = MORE than compensated by the fact that during the 3-year training period until the arrival of the androids, it was VEGETA who had access to the gravity room, whilr Goku could only train normally with Gohan and Piccolo. In fact, he had to worry about training Gohan too…so unlike Vegeta he couldn’t focus only on himself.

    3) Goku’s training in the Other World afer the Cell Saga = Compesanted by the fact that again, it was Vegeta who had access to the gravity room for 7 years. Don’t even try to say afterlife training is more effective, because nothing of the sort has been said in the manga AT ALL. The only thing they said, was that it was easier to mantain the SSJ3 transformation in there. Nothing else. While we know for a FACT how effective training in the gravity room is for the saiyans.

    And even with all this, it doesn’t matter SQUAT. Why? Because once again, Vegeta flat-out admited that NO AMOUNT OF TRAINING would ever close the gap between him and Goku. He said this was due to Goku’s superior talent & potential, which was the reason he let himself be possessed by Babidi…so he could use the POWERUP to try and catch up with Goku.

    Now don’t get me wrong because of this post…I actually like Vegeta as character. But my love for this character is constantly put to the test by the hordes of Vegeta-fanboys who continually IGNORE REALITY all because they ended up butthurt that Vegeta not only ended up being weaker than Goku, but also admited Goku had more potential, that even eith training he wouldn’t be able to catch up, and that Goku was truly the N#1.

    In short, learn be real people. Vegeta is a cool character, but its CANON that he is not as talented as Goku. Its in the manga. Trying to say otherwise is obvious fanatism.

    Goku’s potential/talent >>>>> Vegeta’s.
    Toriyama’s words.
    The End.

    For Penguin’s Quack:
    “Because he was less prone to dying?”
    Maybe you’re forgeting the small fact that even if Vegeta died, he still wouldn’t be given the same opportunities Goku did. Just the fact that they let Goku keep his body in the Ohter World was an “honor” that only the greatest heroes like him recieve. Everyone else gets their body taken from them, and this is especially true for villians (like Vegeta) who spent their whole lives killing for fun.

  4. When I say Vegeta is “less prone to dying” I’m not simply refering to the special training Goku got in the afterlife.
    Saiyans get stronger after they recover from bad wounds, what is a worse wound than death? Goku dies and comes back from the dead several times, thus getting stronger each time. This happens less to Vegeta.
    Also, your whole argument about Vegeta not getting the honour because he was a villian is beside the point. The article is on who had the most potential. If Vegeta had been able to get the same opportunities as Goku he could have been stronger, but Vegeta didn’t get those opportunities, he couldn’t.
    In that way Vegeta stood in his own way. His ruthlessness in trying to be the strongest meant that he couldn’t get all the training that Goku did and thus hindered him. But what if things had been different? What if Vegeta hadn’t been a villian, as you put it, what if he had been able to recieve the same honour as Goku, then could he have been stronger?

    Otherwise, I agree with a lot of what you said. But I also agree with Tom. I think it’s important to look at this on a linear timeline. Vegeta did have the advantage in his youth and was almost certainly the stronger of the two before they met. But Tom is right, Goku spent a year in vigorous training while Vegeta spent a year in “a tiny spacepod” in which, in the manga, he doesn’t get any excercise at all, I spent two months in a full leg cast and by the time I took it off I had no muscle on my leg what so ever. Imagine that after 12 months.
    While it doesn’t say that training in the afterlife is more effective than training in the gravity chamber I’m pretty certain it doesn’t say anything against that either.

    Also, can I point out that both of you are overlooking that Majin Vegeta actually beat Goku, or am I imagining that? It’s entirely possible that I am imagining that.

    In conclusion, I agree with a lot of what both of you are saying.

  5. in the movie fusion reborn goku says that he had been training in the other world all this while that’s why he got stronger and vegeta on the other hand didnt had a body to train with

    • fusion reborn does not even fit properly in any of the timelines.Its not canon in any angle.Well first of all,vegeta does get his body back in the manga and then at the time when vegeta was dead,gohan was in the kai planet and how come in the movie he suddenly comes back to earth??So there is an inconsistency here.
      Second,gohan sees the boys fuse for the first time only when super buu comes back for the rematch after blowing himself up before in the fight with ultimate gohan and by then they could reach ssj3.but in this movie they only go ssj(agreed,probably they did not need to,but it could even have been before the rosat training).
      next,when gohan came back to earth for the first time after vegeta died during the buu saga,the evil buu had already killed all of the earthilings except for mr.satan and the remaining z fighters including tien and chiaotzu.So many inconcsistencies for this to be considered as canon evidence.

  6. goku says if u have a body in the other world , that body can sustain unlimited power so if vegeta had a body after he died he wud also hav become ssj3

    • exatcly a true vegeta fan the only reason goku a low-class warrior is so strong is because of dying so much like a weakling vegeta died like what only 2 times all that dying goku had then him coming back to advance his power level making that strong no matter how strong kakarot gets he no match for the mighty super elite warrior prince vegeta it runs in the family king vegeta is stronger than bardock, prince vegeta stronger than kakarot and son of the prince trunks is stronger than goten

      • yeah goku lame vegeta all day king vegeta stronger than bardock vegeta stronger than kakarot trunks stronger than goten bula stronger than pan yeah thats right

      • Goku dies so much because he ricks hes life for everybody and earth vegeta not so much.

      • Vegeta is stronger then goku plain and simple the only reason goku’s better then vegeta is because the creator’s made it that way

  7. if vegeta got his body after death he wud have beem far superior to goku and though vegeta accepts that goku is better , in the next episode he fought kid buu head on and even in ssj 2 survived while goku after losing his ssj 3 form is totally exhausted

  8. A saiyans power can be recognized by his attack and vegeta has most powerful attack in entire amine that is final flash no one has a potential to stop it on the other hand goku has powerful attack spirit bomb but he borrows the energy from all things on world so the conclusion is vegeta has more ki energy then goku means he is more powerful

  9. Your guys are just being foolish…Vegeta is simply a lovable character, and I think after you realized his horrible past, and his transition from being a villain to a member of the DB team, fans simply wanted him to be closer to Goku in strength. Well, Vegeta did get the best of Goku when they fought at SS2, and honestly, I think that’s all he wanted. Gohan is the character that actually has the most “potential” or “talent” goku simply has the ability to push himself past him limits for the sake of people he cares about. Vegeta has never learned this…thus can never “catch up” to Goku so to speak.

    Vegeta’s sacrifice didn’t kill Buu, but it wasn’t meaningless either, knowing he would not be granted life, he still sacrificed himself, in that way he found his redemption. He blew up Buu, he merged with Goku to stop Super Buu, he was the brains and planning behind the spirit bomb. Would I have liked one more arc where Vegeta finally caught up to Goku? Sure, but since Vegeta is so jealous of Goku, and Goku only gets that strong when his family and loved one is in danger, it would be hard to come up with an Arc where Vegeta isn’t the villain. I honestly would have liked for Vegeta to just be taken control of and him being the final villain in DBZ and instead of Goku winning, Vegeta killing himself, finally understanding what fighitng for justice really means, and after some teary goodbyes, he’s brought back with the Dragonballs. I thought Buu was just a stupid character. Immortal basically and just overall silly, SS3 was wasted on that arc.

  10. First of all your analysis and comparison is stupid you’re forgetting that it’s due to the fact that Kakarot has surpassed the training and teach of Master Roshi, Korin and even Kami while being the strongest fighter on earth that he is able to train with King Kai and learn the Spirit Bomb along with the awesome Kaio Ken technique. Kakarot scarificing himself to destroy his elder brother raditz shows that it fate that brought him to commit such a heroic act thus becoming the saviour of the earth. Vegeta on the other hand is the greatest badass to have ever been fathomed in entertainment history and yes before his arrival on earth he was the tad bit stronger but never superior also your analysis is wrong because you’re forgetting that Kakarot himself stated that he never fights with his complete full power because he know he’ll lose control even with the enemy he barely uses it. Now back to the prince he was indeed stronger because has travled and worked in this planet trade for the man who just happens to be the destroyer of his home planet. Now the prince barely even fights because he is the prince thus having a bodyguard also known nappa. With nappa doing all the fighting because the adversaries “are a waste of his time” nappa obviously increases as you have stated that a saiyan will increase in strengh after certain battles. Now to state my point clearer Vegeta doesn’t have more potential over Kakarot as his arrogance has blinded him time and time again to believe that just because he is a very great and powerful saiyan he will never be over powered or ever find non greater well that’s obviously incorrect as Kakarot has persistently trained in the martial arts always training to be great or greater infact even greastest. So it’s to no disadvantage as to why Kakarot reigns supreme in the rank of saiyans within the series. Furthermore vegeta knows of the next level that a saiyan will reach after and he has only ever known it as a myth and that “myth” was disproved when Kakarot reached Super Saiyan before vegeta and ever since then Kakarot will only reach a Super Saiyan level to leave the prince eating his dust. Kakarot pretty much looks to better himself even at peaceful years. Akira Toriyama also proves that being ignorant can actually bliss with Kakarot not knowing much of the world he became pretty happy. Akira also proves that being persistent, humble and hard working will always get you to your best. Well anything that can and will ever be said after this comment is obviously obsolete. I have spoken follow me on twitter @GilsonCK.

    • Have you ever even watched the show and its movies? Let’s take the Broly movie as a good example…remember when he gave up like a wuss and sat there bawling about it while everyone else was fighting and getting their s**t kicked in? Yeah, what a real badass. While I still disagree with my next statement, Piccolo is a much more ilkely candidate for ‘greatest badass to ever have been fathomed in entertainment history’ than Vegetable ever would be. Liking a character doesn’t make them a badass.

  11. Well i like vegeta he is genious in the fights and during the fight against mangi buu kid he got a beaten like never thats why he got the respect but goku is the talented and ad always trying to be stronger good examPles of characters

  12. As you say, when Vegeta was struck by the sword in the back he would have become stronger due to his near death experience. So he was close to the same advantage as Goku was when he had died. If Vegeta was given the same opportunities as Goku he still would not have won. His personality does not allow him to accept that others are better than him especially in the beginning. He wouldn’t have learned anything from King Kai because he wouldnt have even believed he had anything to learn. Thus Goku is better because he takes advantage of his resources and Vegeta’s arrogance. Vegeta only comes close because he is the major antagonist at that part of the story, take that away and he is useless as you can see for the rest of the story.

    • vegeta is superior i every way vegeta won both battles goku is crap if vegta had goku opportunities he would be much more stronger than goku every form they share vegeta is stronger and vegeta dosent need goku opportunities he a true warrior he fights with his natrual strength alone and dosent need help like the low class
      goku

  13. You people are all so fucking wrong! Vegeta is far more powerful than goku ever could be, and it is made known this many MANY times in the early show. From his debut into dragonball you can understand that vegeta is more powerful than goku ever could be. Two main points to consider are the events surrounding his childhood and early adultlife.


    vegeta casually defeats sibamen when he was a CHILD. He showed in a brief instant he was stronger than adult piccolo,adult yamcha, adult kirillin when he was GOKU’s AGE IN DRAGONBALL! Goku, as you can see, doesn’t become stronger than piccolo by any large means. After he defeats piccolo he does nothing for the four year duration since the beginning of dragon ball z, except for what’s in the movies during those times, where he was shown to be weaker than radditz and equal to piccolo.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A99OBmvAptk (piccolo showing extreme effort to kill a sibamen) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7z9hvc5oAU&feature=related(Krillin showing just as much effort, you can also see yamchas exploded corpse).

    Further into the Kid vegeta video, we see vegeta surrounded by LEGIONS of dead warriors. We can’t determine their strengths, but considering that frieza sent vegeta on ” one of the HARDEST” mission, and we can assume that he is still on this mission by the time of planet vegeta’s destruction since he hasn’t aged and the situation surrounding bardock was close at hand. The hardest mission for frieza to give means he must have been fighting creatures who were on the levels of the ginyu force, if not stronger. Kid vegeta is easily defeating the strongest foes in the galaxies at childhood, and in adult hood he destroys planets, something MAJIN BUU who was called THE STRONGEST ENTITY IN TEH GALAXY could only do. Adult vegeta then, was on the level of being the strongest entity in the galaxy.


    This video is of an adult vegeta destroying a planet. He destroys this with a energy beam that utterly vaporizes the planet in a short span of time. Both Nappa and vegeta are watching the destruction of the planet with great interest, as if it’s an amusing spectacle. He shows more power than goku ever does anywhere in dragon ball z or dragon ball GT. He does this with the slightest gesture and wasn’t slightly exhausted. This, combined with vegeta’s other exploits such as murdering entire planets who no doubt were on levels of power seen in the most potent of alien warriors under frieza’s command.

    • Vegeta destroying a planet was ‘filler’ for the anime that never actually occured in the canon timeline of DBZ, so that point is moot. You’re also comparing a strict time period in DBZ neglecting the rest of the entire series. The series didn’t end after the Saiyan fight. While Vegeta was obviously stronger than Goku and any other Z fighter in the Saiyan fight and up until the point Goku arrived on planet Namek, it is obvious that Goku is a superior fighter as he clearly takes out Recoome with a single strike, who only near killed Vegeta on multiple occasions, broke Gohan’s neck, and wiped his ass with Krillin’s face. It’s also worth mentioning that Goku kills Frieza, which an entire race of Saiyans even up to that point couldn’t touch. Again, just because you like Vegeta, doesn’t make him stronger.

    • Whoever wrote this you are the man!!!!! The only reason goku is supposedly better is because than Vegeta is because he’s the main character and if AT would of made Vegeta stronger which he most def should of been all the hero superman boy lovers would get offended and stop watching because somebody became stronger than Goku the most boring character he’s so freaking predicable it’s like listening to the same 2 minute song on repeat 200 times!

      honestly Goku is lame i only watched for real characters like Vegeta, piccolo and frieza because they weren’t boring….

    • your a fucking idiot. Goku is 100% fucking superior you twat. The fucking manga confirms this since he was fucking stated to have unlimited fucking potential. Go jump off a fucking cliff you evolutionary mistake!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • What a fuckin’ liar you are, lark! To hell with your damn prejudice against Vegeta! I don’t give a shit how much you love Goku. But to tell FisherKing to jump off a cliff is fuckin’ stupid! So why don’t you do that instead, you shit-eatin’ assmunch?!

        Honestly, I’d abort you if I’m one of your parents, you big excuse for a human.

  14. I respect Vegeta the most, because he isn’t “pure or legendary but because he represents the Darkest sides of a Anti-Hero and it makes him the wholest character in Dbz.

  15. The reason why Vegeta became weaker than Goku all of a sudden is because Akira Toriyama hated Vegeta and even admitted that he never intended to keep Vegeta around after the Saiyan Saga, where he should have been killed by Krillin by Yajirobe’s sword.
    Akira purposely made Vegeta weaker to make the fans dislike him, which even made them like him more, because of his flaws, the fans could relate to Vegeta more than Goku who seemed more like a Gary Stu (male Mary Sue).
    In Namek Saga, Vegeta was shown weak, and not how he originally had intended to be according to Akira, during the Saiyan Saga. Vegeta’s character even changed.
    If it weren’t for the fans begging him, even threatening him not to buy the manga’s, he wouldn’t have left Vegeta around after the Saiyan Saga. Akira was pissed that Vegeta took Piccolo’s spotlight and became Goku’s rival instead. Akira never thought that Vegeta would become even more popular than the main character, Goku, as the Saiyan prince intrigued a lot of readers by his charismatic characteristics.
    So Vegeta fans, don’t worry about it. Vegeta was originally the strongest, until Akira began to rebel so the fans would dislike him. Well, an anti-hero is becoming more popular lately, more than a standard oh-so-goody hero who becomes a bore anyway. Akira even wanted to let Vegeta stay dead after Frieza killed him, but fans insisted to have him around. Akira wanted Piccolo to become a Majin, but his editors insisted to give Vegeta that role, because the fans have been dying to see a Vegeta / Goku rematch.

  16. In dbz BOG bills bitch slapped bulma and vegeta became stronger than ssj3 while in his ssj1 form if you don’t believe me look it up

  17. You can speculate and what if this to death if you want but, you will just be going in circles Goku fans will always have his back, and Vegeta fans will always have his back. Now I am a fan of all things Dragonball with exception to the horrid bastardized POS live action movie which anyone who is a true fan would vomit from watching. Here is the bottom line and unless your living in your own fairytale world where you are the center of everything and god unto yourself this cannot be argued! The author and creator of this world being the undisputed ruler of what we read and see in the DBZ universe has stated the Goku is the strongest, and has the most potential. This is not due solely on his physical ability to push himself past his breaking point, but his emotions and mental fortitude! If the author and the creator didn’t write it than it simple didn’t happen! No what if’s ands or but’s!! Point set and match have a good day.

  18. dumb people i swear does the famous DBZ QUOTE MEAN NOTHING TO ALL YOU VEGETA FAN BOY PUSSYS! “Youre better than me Kakarot you are the best” END OF STORY

  19. Vegeta I believe has more potential, because Goku doesn’t live by the true warrior code. The writer favors Goku, but Vegeta has a softer spot than Goku just never admits it. The reason Vegeta hates Goku is because Vegeta is a serious person. Goku may be my favorite character, but everyone even me would like Vegeta better if they saw his soft spot. There is no gap, but Vegeta believes it because of this he’s weak.

  20. Goku is a complete idiot and he’s the best character in Dragon Ball Z. Hmpf, ridiculous. Vegeta deserve more attention than Goku. He’s the anti-hero of the show, don’t you see? He distracted Cell, so Gohan could easily beat the hell out of the big motherfucking bad guy. Krillin is the most useless character of DBZ, he was completely humiliated by Vegeta when he tried to destroy the Earth, but failed, because Gohan, transformed into great ape, has taken him down. Vegeta is even better than Sasuke or Sakura Haruno.

  21. goku>vegeta peiood!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • manga disagrees, so take your post sand shove that info down for fucking throat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • ^ Why don’t you shut the fuck up and get the hell off here, dumb-ass? You don’t own this website.

    • Your comments are the ones that deserve to be erased just because other people disagreed with you. Who cares if they do? They don’t have to agree with you if they don’t want to.

    • Eras your comment instead ’cause there’s no need for it considering how much a baby you sound like.

  22. saying vegeta gas greater potential than goku is like saying hulk has greater potential than pre-retcon boyonder.. LOL it’s a first class joke. Whether people like it or not the manga clearly states goku has greater potential and is a combat genius as displayed in every fight he fights throughout the manga. Not saying vegeta is one, but not on goku’s level IMO. Goku being a combat genius is non debateable or opiniated it’s a 100% pure fact. If you disagree with this then your basically saying Toriyama is wrong about his own manga. People need to lean to accept things and move on.

    • How full of BS you are. Goku’s a goody for the most part. In this day and age, most people prefer anti-heroes as they’re more interesting than goody-two-shoes,. But that doesn’t mean I like the Hulk.

      Maybe it’s you who needs to accept things and move on.

    • On third thought, I take back my apology because you couldn’t seem to make up your mind on whether side with Vegeta or Goku. Such a hypocrite you are.

      Do me a favor and shove your LOL and other bullshit up your ass.

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